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		<title>Comment on Stephen&#8217;s Law of Robotics by robotics level set</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/stephens-law-of-robotics#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>robotics level set</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] capabilities will likely come from the artificial intelligence field, just as many will come from phttp://www.parityerror.com/archive/stephens-law-of-roboticsHEADLINES FOR MAY 2, 2008 DrummerBattle-1 and Battle-2: Humdinger II the one with some red on it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] capabilities will likely come from the artificial intelligence field, just as many will come from phttp://www.parityerror.com/archive/stephens-law-of-roboticsHEADLINES FOR MAY 2, 2008 DrummerBattle-1 and Battle-2: Humdinger II the one with some red on it [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where was that picture taken? by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/where-was-that-picture-taken#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eye-Fi has extended their Wi-Fi SD memory offering to include geocoding capabilities using information about local Wi-Fi Hot Spots to automatically geocode images.  &lt;a href="http://www.eye.fi/products/explore/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Eye-Fi Explore&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eye-Fi has extended their Wi-Fi SD memory offering to include geocoding capabilities using information about local Wi-Fi Hot Spots to automatically geocode images.  <a href="http://www.eye.fi/products/explore/" rel="nofollow">Eye-Fi Explore</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Moore&#8217;s Law of Robotics by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/moores-law-of-robotics#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barnaby:

There is no doubt that today's programming paradigms lack plasticity.  If one part of a system fails, it generally brings the entire system down.  While there has been work to develop fault tolerance, and "&lt;a href="http://www.physorg.com/news128009580.html" title="self-healing computers" rel="nofollow"&gt;self-healing&lt;/a&gt;" there have not been any noticeable large scale successes.

Developing millions or billions of capabilities will be a huge undertaking.  Not all of the capabilities will be fully fleshed out by programmers, since some are likely going to involve neural networks such as those proposed by Jeff Hawkins in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-Jeff-Hawkins/dp/0805078533" title="On Intelligence" rel="nofollow"&gt;On Intelligence&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm" title="Genetic Algorithms overview" rel="nofollow"&gt;genetic algorithms&lt;/a&gt;, or some other learning model which may or may not be based on biology.  

Unfortunately, at this point it is unclear how many discrete capabilities are required to handle balancing, walking, catching a ball, crossing the street, and so on.  My current guesstimate would be that this would be in the billions, and therefore the equivalent of trillions of lions of code would be required.  This is definitely a huge undertaking.  However, how much of this code is hand written, how much is generated automatically, and how much is data or biological driven remains to be unseen.  As engineers and researchers try to figure out how to develop robots which can act (and maybe even be) intelligent, there is going to be a lot of design space investigated.

Even if robots are developed via models of the brain, the set of capabilities that robot can perform should be a good measure.  Of course, if the capabilities develop via learning, as opposed to being added incrementally by engineers, counting them will be a bit more challenging.    So a good question based on this metric would be how many capabilities does a human have today?  What are the capabilities of an ant, spider, etc.  Knowing capabilities, would also help to emulate.

In an upcoming article, I do plan to take a stab at examining the challenges that would be involved in trying to develop a robot in a community driven manner.  As you point out, the sheer manpower required means that no particular group would be able to develop everything.  Development will occur over large periods of time, with new additions building up, until the underlying architecture gets overwhelmed, and then the architecture gets revamped, and progress continues, and so on.  Development will require substantial automation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnaby:</p>
<p>There is no doubt that today&#8217;s programming paradigms lack plasticity.  If one part of a system fails, it generally brings the entire system down.  While there has been work to develop fault tolerance, and &#8220;<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news128009580.html" title="self-healing computers" rel="nofollow">self-healing</a>&#8221; there have not been any noticeable large scale successes.</p>
<p>Developing millions or billions of capabilities will be a huge undertaking.  Not all of the capabilities will be fully fleshed out by programmers, since some are likely going to involve neural networks such as those proposed by Jeff Hawkins in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-Jeff-Hawkins/dp/0805078533" title="On Intelligence" rel="nofollow">On Intelligence</a>, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm" title="Genetic Algorithms overview" rel="nofollow">genetic algorithms</a>, or some other learning model which may or may not be based on biology.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, at this point it is unclear how many discrete capabilities are required to handle balancing, walking, catching a ball, crossing the street, and so on.  My current guesstimate would be that this would be in the billions, and therefore the equivalent of trillions of lions of code would be required.  This is definitely a huge undertaking.  However, how much of this code is hand written, how much is generated automatically, and how much is data or biological driven remains to be unseen.  As engineers and researchers try to figure out how to develop robots which can act (and maybe even be) intelligent, there is going to be a lot of design space investigated.</p>
<p>Even if robots are developed via models of the brain, the set of capabilities that robot can perform should be a good measure.  Of course, if the capabilities develop via learning, as opposed to being added incrementally by engineers, counting them will be a bit more challenging.    So a good question based on this metric would be how many capabilities does a human have today?  What are the capabilities of an ant, spider, etc.  Knowing capabilities, would also help to emulate.</p>
<p>In an upcoming article, I do plan to take a stab at examining the challenges that would be involved in trying to develop a robot in a community driven manner.  As you point out, the sheer manpower required means that no particular group would be able to develop everything.  Development will occur over large periods of time, with new additions building up, until the underlying architecture gets overwhelmed, and then the architecture gets revamped, and progress continues, and so on.  Development will require substantial automation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moore&#8217;s Law of Robotics by Barnaby Dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/moores-law-of-robotics#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnaby Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming at the question from a biological perspective (although not being a biologist) I have several things to say:

1)  The crucial aspect of intelligence is plasticity.  The human brain is capable of using many different parts for the same task.  Visual data can be given to a person through their back (on pressure pads) or even their tongue and their brain can learn to treat it just like data sent in through the optic nerve.  In some animals (and possibly humans too) the optic nerve can be rerouted to an entirely different area of the brain (during embryology) and the animals brain grows with a completely different structure but still able to function normally.  In addition people routinely use mental modules they developed for one task to perform an entirely different one (e.g. counting in ones head to do simple sums).

In my opinion with AI we should create an AI brain with the same or similar degree of plasticity and then teach it these tasks.  Any other route will take much longer because their are only so many available programmers.

2) The algorithm behind the brain's plasticity and its learning capacity must be pretty simple for several reasons.  Firstly there are not many genes responsible for the nervous system in people and most of these probably code for essentially irrelevant internal aspects of neurons.  This leaves very little space for a complex algorithm (the emergent behaviour is certainly complex, however).  This means that it should not be beyond the 21st century wit of man to reverse engineer this basic algorithm or to create an equivalent algorithm.

If we can create a suitably flexible AI brain then I agree that we should expect exponential growth in its capacities (whilst Moore's law itself holds).  However, without that I am much less confident in this as it seems to me that the speed with which capacities could be added is limited by programmer time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming at the question from a biological perspective (although not being a biologist) I have several things to say:</p>
<p>1)  The crucial aspect of intelligence is plasticity.  The human brain is capable of using many different parts for the same task.  Visual data can be given to a person through their back (on pressure pads) or even their tongue and their brain can learn to treat it just like data sent in through the optic nerve.  In some animals (and possibly humans too) the optic nerve can be rerouted to an entirely different area of the brain (during embryology) and the animals brain grows with a completely different structure but still able to function normally.  In addition people routinely use mental modules they developed for one task to perform an entirely different one (e.g. counting in ones head to do simple sums).</p>
<p>In my opinion with AI we should create an AI brain with the same or similar degree of plasticity and then teach it these tasks.  Any other route will take much longer because their are only so many available programmers.</p>
<p>2) The algorithm behind the brain&#8217;s plasticity and its learning capacity must be pretty simple for several reasons.  Firstly there are not many genes responsible for the nervous system in people and most of these probably code for essentially irrelevant internal aspects of neurons.  This leaves very little space for a complex algorithm (the emergent behaviour is certainly complex, however).  This means that it should not be beyond the 21st century wit of man to reverse engineer this basic algorithm or to create an equivalent algorithm.</p>
<p>If we can create a suitably flexible AI brain then I agree that we should expect exponential growth in its capacities (whilst Moore&#8217;s law itself holds).  However, without that I am much less confident in this as it seems to me that the speed with which capacities could be added is limited by programmer time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where was that picture taken? by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/where-was-that-picture-taken#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One company is looking to combine camera, GPS, plus angle of camera data to allow users to mark areas of interest on the photo.  These marked areas are then used to search existing photos to determine what the selected item is.  They say they can handle buildings, trees, and more.  An article about the research can be found &lt;a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMK2B3XQEF_index_0.html" title="Eye One " rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One company is looking to combine camera, GPS, plus angle of camera data to allow users to mark areas of interest on the photo.  These marked areas are then used to search existing photos to determine what the selected item is.  They say they can handle buildings, trees, and more.  An article about the research can be found <a href="http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMK2B3XQEF_index_0.html" title="Eye One " rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Where was that picture taken? by Tech yet to be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GPS enabled cell phones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech yet to be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GPS enabled cell phones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] where you went and what you did on a vacation. Also it makes it easier to associate those vacation photos with where they were taken. However, it would also allow others to verify whether or not you were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] where you went and what you did on a vacation. Also it makes it easier to associate those vacation photos with where they were taken. However, it would also allow others to verify whether or not you were [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Techno-tutoring for Learning Musical Instruments by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/techno-tutoring-for-learning-musical-instruments#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Researchers at the University of Rochester have developed a model of the clarinet.  This model allows them to take a recording of a clarinet and reduce it to the actions the player would have made.  While they still haven't mastered tonguing, many other parameters apparently are accurately modeled.  

While the original work was aimed at audio compression, the instrument model seems to be one step closer to allowing instrument based computer assistance.

Reports of this research can be found in the University of Rochester &lt;a href="http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3136" rel="nofollow"&gt;press release&lt;/a&gt;, or a report from &lt;a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=882" rel="nofollow"&gt;znet&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Researchers at the University of Rochester have developed a model of the clarinet.  This model allows them to take a recording of a clarinet and reduce it to the actions the player would have made.  While they still haven&#8217;t mastered tonguing, many other parameters apparently are accurately modeled.  </p>
<p>While the original work was aimed at audio compression, the instrument model seems to be one step closer to allowing instrument based computer assistance.</p>
<p>Reports of this research can be found in the University of Rochester <a href="http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3136" rel="nofollow">press release</a>, or a report from <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=882" rel="nofollow">znet</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blu-ray vs. HD DVD?  Does it matter? by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.parityerror.com/archive/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-does-it-matter#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like THX thinks that &lt;a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/28/thx_scientist_favours_flash/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Flash makes more sense&lt;/a&gt; than a new optical based movie format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like THX thinks that <a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/28/thx_scientist_favours_flash/" rel="nofollow">Flash makes more sense</a> than a new optical based movie format.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recap and moving forward by Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surveillance going mobile with flying cameras.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/26/hovering-drone-could-report-for-work-at-miami-police-station/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Honeywell drone&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/uk-to-get-even-more-big-brother-with-hovering-drones/" rel="nofollow"&gt;UK drone&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surveillance going mobile with flying cameras.<br />
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/26/hovering-drone-could-report-for-work-at-miami-police-station/" rel="nofollow">Honeywell drone</a><br />
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/uk-to-get-even-more-big-brother-with-hovering-drones/" rel="nofollow">UK drone</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Planning a Vacation by Tech yet to be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Improved Cellphone Integration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech yet to be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Improved Cellphone Integration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yet to Be Where was that picture taken? Planning a Vacation The All Knowing Digital Personal Assistant   Share or Bookmark: These icons link to social [...]</description>
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